Eve and Lil- Ear, Skin and Blood Work

LetsTalkPetFoods · **Joined:** Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:47 am **Posts:** 648

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:09 pm By Lets Talk

ADMIN NOTE:

While trying to split off the medical discussion parts of the posts from the Cooking forum, they *DISAPPEARED* <sigh> !
So, what I had to do was back track to *before* I split them put and hand copy each one, one by one in here. It *LOOKS* like I am the original poster on all of them, but I am not. At any rate, at least they are all in here and intact ! Thank goodness for by back button!
Sorry folks.........there is apparently a *bug* in the split posts part of the forum! Now they tell me! And Denise and I just thought we were doing it wrong before! I understand from some over in support that they just *re-appear* some day, LOL, so that should be interesting to see *where* they re-appear! Directly below is the a copy of the last post from the cooking forum. After this post, it changes to a medical discussion on skin, ears, blood work and so forth.

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ladyscarletthawk wrote:

I love Lil's hair! She just looks sooo huggable! Lil's ear will catch up soon, oh have you thought about wrapping her ears like they do show dogs? I did this with Eve and boy did they grow!! You should give it a try to see how that works for you, at least till they grow some.

Thanks Laura :) She is a huggie bear! Her ear is looking much better. Her hair mats if I try to do to much to contain it <sigh> It is so fine.
I have started keeping a tiny bit of Remicin ear ointment in her ear every few days, to *maintain* no infection. And then when I wash her, I use a bit of dish detergent to get the oiliness off the parts it gets on from her shaking her head. Yesterday, I gave her a bath and noticed that er ear is really starting to look like it's growing.

ladyscarletthawk wrote:

I would try getting one of those utility garage lights from wally-world for lighting. They are only 17 and 4ft long or so I believe, so would give you the light and no heat:). It should be in the light bulb section near the paints. I bought an adjustable height white commercial hard plastic table from Sam's too. Adjusts up to 36in is 4ft long made by lifetime(www.lifetime.com), you could take it outside or wherever either adjust it all the way for grooming or lower it and use a chair to help with you back. It cost me $40 and is pretty sturdy.. dont get the one that folds in half but the one that is a whole 4ft piece:).

The type you are speaking of is pretty much what I bought for sewing. I bought one of those wonderful sewing lights on a stand with a goose neck and *plug in tubes* They do not generate much heat at all, that I can feel, but it is just hot under any lamp and then the stress for Lil-Lea and for me is difficult. It tires us both out <G>

ladyscarletthawk wrote:

Eve is doing well, I think she looks better all long and fluffy

! Well till we can get her lil hock issue solved. Thinking about getting her thyroid tested even if the vet doesnt think that it looks like thyroid. I was told that a Dr Jean Dodds: http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-ang ... ctions.htm
is supposed to be world reknowned in her studies of vaccines and thyroid, and perhaps I should send her a blood sample(vet does it) to see what she thinks. Havent had a chance to search this site except for this first page.

I love fluffy poos :) But I cut Lil all off for the summer as she gets so hot` I always hear nothing but great things about Jean Dodds! What's wrong with Eve's hock and her Thyrioid ? I must have missed that information! I would definitely send Jean Dodds a blood sample! It certainly can not hurt and she is very diligent, so I hear over and over again, so there must be something to it! Never hear a bad word about her ever.

ladyscarletthawk wrote:

Eve is getting her yearly on wed and getting her 3y rabies one year early because.... they are now doing a 3yr distemper up here!! Yeah!! Plus need to have the vet check her right ear as it is a bit tender, so may be infected... poor baby.

With Lil-Lea it is her left ear (the one her puppies chewed on) I am not sure what is going on with it, but trying to keep the infection away is a pain in the butt! ..........Err in her ear, and here I am the one complaining :hee hee:

What do you suppose cause an ear infection in *one ear* ? !~ With Eve, is it a repetitive issue with her one ear, like with Lil-Lea?
You do a 3 year distemper? I was under the impression that adult dogs were not susceptible to distemper once the initial shots were done, just like the do not need more rabies shots either, except it is a law! Does Dr Dodds say anything about that on her site? I can't remember, but I am sure she probably said something about it! Since we humans don't have to be re-vaccinated, I do not believe dogs need to be either. The only reason I get rabies for Lil every 3years, is because the law says I have to, or I wouldn't..........

ladyscarletthawk wrote:

There was a local "dog show" you know where anybody can go for fun(not official). I entered Eve in the best trick competition and she was one of the ones that won!! We got some John Paul oatmeal shampoo and conditioner. Smells really good, and cant wait to use it on her.

That is so neat ! Nice when they can *earn their own keep* eh? :ROFLOL: Lil-Lea won a whole box of shampoos and conditioners and stuff, when she won that contest. I told her , good, now you have earned your keep and you can remain in your DIVA STATUS ! I bet you were as proud as I was when your little one won :party:

ladyscarletthawk wrote:

One last thing, may have found a mentor for show grooming!!! Not sure just yet, but met a lady a local pet store and she told a friend of hers about me and Eve. Told her how well I scissored her(and that I may be interested in a show pup) and the other lady said that I should put Eve in a show and get experience. Will be calling her tommorrow, to see what happens, but Im way excited!! Woohoo!! Ok Im done haha :take dog out: !

Neat ! If you lived around here, I would hire you to do Lil-Lea <G> But, I will not take her anywhere! Too many horror stories! Cut off ears glued back on, straggling from the hold etc. Just way too scary for me.~ Glad she will have you as a teacher, so she can learn correctly! One well-trained good one you will be able to send out there in the world!

LetsTalkPetFoods · **Joined:** Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:47 am **Posts:** 648

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:28 pm By Lets Talk

ladyscarletthawk wrote:

Well till we can get her lil hock issue solved. Thinking about getting her thyroid tested even if the vet doesnt think that it looks like thyroid. I was told that a Dr Jean Dodds: http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-ang ... ctions.htm is supposed to be world reknowned in her studies of vaccines and thyroid, and perhaps I should send her a blood sample(vet does it) to see what she thinks. Havent had a chance to search this site except for this first page.

Chatting Denise; Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 1:47 pm:

Oh I would definately send the blood work to Jean Dobbs. I would do a complete blood work too. She was a guess speaker on one of a lists I was on, several years ago and talked about all sorts of important information. I find that with vets you have to actually tell them what type of blood work you want done or it could be incomplete. Most people in general wouldn't know what is what when it comes to something like that.

LetsTalkPetFoods · **Joined:** Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:47 am **Posts:** 648

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:33 pm By Lets Talk

I always hear nothing but great things about Jean Dodds! What's wrong with Eve's hock and her Thyrioid ? I must have missed that information! I would definitely send Jean Dodds a blood sample! It certainly can not hurt and she is very diligent, so I hear over and over again, so there must be something to it! Never hear a bad word about her ever.

ladyscarletthawk wrote:

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:07 pm
That really is reassuring! I was debating on having the army vet pull blood and send it to the place in Phoenix(not sure who) they normally send their tests to or just have them pull blood and I or them send it to Jean Dodds. Now I will let them know that I would like to send it to her. They had a list of thyroid tests and prices and Im not sure what it test as it isnt specific. I would think HE would know, but I want someone that knows their stuff for sure!

About the thyroid.. Eve has had hairloss/sparseness on her hocks and down the outside of her legs since the day before forever. She was not born that way and started somewhere around 3m. Long story short it is nothing she is doing, not allergy related, not product related, not fungal/bacterial/parasitic, nor do any OTC shampoos(or vet), salves, conditioners, foods, or meds work. Soo I think it is something that needs to be tested, perhaps a hormonal issue. That said I did write a few posts and excluding the above possibilities, Jan said cushings or addisons, but retracted those suggestions after seeing the pix. And right before the whole incident with Mary on th PL list, she suggested Thyroid due to the bilateral symmetric hairloss. I have also read that ear infections can be caused by a thyroid problem.. I asked on my groomer list and excluding the above (again) they too said Thyroid was a possibility. They also rec Jean Dodds. SOOO, here we are feeling that it may be thyroid related, even tho she doesnt show any other signs.. she does get dry skin but that may be from AK environment tho. She also does not grow ear hair(not all that bad lol ), well she does grow normal strands but it is very sparse, and I could prob get away with never plucking them! Not sure if that is related tho.
She was tested at 6m but had normal readings, BUT her T4 levels were *low* normal. Here are results and comments from the lab:

T4 TEST RESULTS: 1.9 ug/dl, REFERENCE RANGE: 1.7 - 3.6 ug/dl

Free T4 TEST RESULTS: 20.72 pmol/l, REFERENCE RANGE: 12 - 33 pmol/l

Endogenous TSH TEST RESULTS: 0.23 ng/ml, REFERENCE RANGE: 0.1 - 0.4 ng/ml

Comments:
In most cases, a normal T4, Free T4 and TSH will rule out a hypothyroidism. It appears that T4, FT4, and TSH are the most reliable indices for diagnosing hypothyroisdism. A retroperpective study of suspected primary hypothyroid cases submitted through this labrotory, leads us to the conclusion that the best screening profile is to measure T4, FT4, and TSH and thyroglobulin. T4,FT4 and TSH can be normal during the early onset of primary hypothyroidism (animals approximately 1 to 4 years of age) and in some cases be elevated due to cross reactivity of the autoantibodies (T3 and T4). Other reasons for elevation for T$ included hyperplasia of the thyroid gland or supplementation with exogenous thyroxine. Evaluating thyroglobulin autoantibodies should help rule out other thyroid problems. Eventually, as the animal ages, thyroglobulin autoantibodies will decrease due to a large percentage of thyroid tissuethat has been destroyed (become inconclusive or negative) and T4, FT4 will become low and TSH will be elevated. Before considering this profile one should ensure that the patient is free of drugs likely to affect thyroid hormone concentrations such as corticosteroids, anabolic steroids, and anticonvulsants. Another drug that has gathered some attention to its suppressive effects on thyroid function is phenylpropanolamine (use for unrinary incontinence). Be sure to list any drugs the animal is taking on the history when submitting a sample.

Well when I read on Jean Dodds site it says (not verbatum) that a dog can have thyroid issues and can test *low normal*... What happens there are enough Thyroid levels in the blood but not in the tissues. So the animal can have signs of thyroid issues but test normal. Happened to another groomer with her dach, had low normal thyroid results, but showed signs of hypothyroidism. Vet decided to put him on meds and voila hair grew back:). I think his is what Eve's prob might be.

With Lil-Lea it is her left ear (the one her puppies chewed on) I am not sure what is going on with it, but trying to keep the infection away is a pain in the butt! ..........Err in her ear, and here I am the one complaining :Hee Hee:

What do you suppose cause an ear infection in *one ear* ?

ladyscarletthawk wrote:

With Eve, is it a repetitive issue with her one ear, like with Lil-Lea?
Well, I use the gentain violet/boric acid/alcohol concoction that is on the net called blue lightining/power, etc. It is supposed to keep yeast and bacteria at bay. That said, I use it at min once a week because she tends to scratch at her ears and if I hold her head wrong she gives quick cry. So here Im thinking the stuff is not working very well. So while at the vet she had her ears swabbed and she cried while it was done. SO obviously there is a problem there, even tho the results came back clear. I have another vet appt since last weeks was only for shots, and they had not set enough time aside for more.. the vet is supposed to use some othoscope? to take a look way in the ears.. I guess some camera thing to check her ear drum.

I am at a loss as to why it is mainly one ear. She has had ear infections since she was a pup, but one ear was always worse than the other and painful. *sigh* I think Eve and Lil have very similar issues.. it is repetetive, and mostly one ear.. the other one can be affected but it is quite obvious one is in worse shape.. one is painful the other normally isnt. I will def let you know if the vet finds something.. maybe Lil has the same thing? Without looking at her he suggested that it might be her trying to get attention, but that doesnt sound right from my Eve or the circumstances..

You do a 3 year distemper? I was under the impression that adult dogs were not susceptible to distemper once the initial shots were done, just like the do not need more rabies shots either, except it is a law! Does Dr Dodds say anything about that on her site? I can't remember, but I am sure she probably said something about it! Since we humans don't have to be re-vaccinated, I do not believe dogs need to be either. The only reason I get rabies for Lil every 3years, is because the law says I have to, or I wouldn't...

ladyscarletthawk wrote:

It used to be once a year :)! I agree with the whole reasoning of not vaccinating after they mature, but it is a requirement. On base our pets are required to be vax for rabies (duh) and it seems like distemper. This is where we live lol and where we take Eve for her basic care.. blood work, etc. No emergency procedures and very few S/n are done at he other base too. Also when we fly/ travel all shots/health certificates are required even tho they dont check! Im just glad it is three years now.. all I have to worry about is bordetella, in case god forbid I have to kennel her, and that she can get that when needed.

That is so neat ! Nice when they can *earn their own keep* eh? ROFLOL Lil-Lea won a whole box of shampoos and conditioners and stuff, when she won that contest. I told her , good, now you have earned your keep and you can remain in your DIVA STATUS ! I bet you were as proud as I was when your little one won party.

ladyscarletthawk wrote:

Heck ya! It was too cool!!! Personally it gave me an idea of what showing may be like teehee! I just thought it was a lot of fun and it was just me and her on center stage. She loved the attention!

Neat ! If you lived around here, I would hire you to do Lil-Lea <G> But, I will not take her anywhere! Too many horror stories! Cut off ears glued back on, straggling from the hold etc. Just way too scary for me.~ Glad she will have you as a teacher, so she can learn correctly! One well-trained good one you will be able to send out there in the world!

ladyscarletthawk wrote:

Wow, Im honored! Really I KNOW how hard it can be to trust someone with your loved one! When we were in TX my MIL wanted to go to Mexico to go buy some stuff, and I didnt have enough time to get a health certificate at the vet .. so I started looking for someone on the border to do doggie daycare and cut her down. Well thought I found someone but I "chickened" out when I got there and decided not to leave her. It was a bit stinky even for a grooming shop, and I just didnt get a good vibe. So def understand your fear and Im a groomer lol!!

Actually the lady will be teaching me:)! Wouldnt mind teaching someone but it would take a special person for me to teach lol!

The lady I met shows poodles. She also owns a Smash toy poodle... Ch. Vikki the #1 toy poodle in the country came from Smash kennels. I was completely shocked and honored that she is willing to mentor me.. a very rare find indeed! Not many show people want to teach you let alone sell you a pet! Not only that but we have already met AND she thinks I should put Eve in the show ring!!! I never thought Eve was "good" enough to show! She told me all her good points and pointed out her bad, but overall she said I was very lucky to have HER as my first show dog esp while Im up here. I am soo giddy! She put Eve in a continental and said that she should have enough hair for this May's show. She also commented on her coats upkeep, her maturity, eye contact, and personality. She said her teeth look impeccable, and it was clear how well I took care of her.. and she would sell ME a pup if I ever want one! Im on cloud 10 right now. She is a VERY nice lady and Im so lucky to have met her!

LetsTalkPetFoods · **Joined:** Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:47 am **Posts:** 648

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:35 pm

On Call 24/7 wrote:

Oh I would definately send the blood work to Jean Dobbs. I would do a complete blood work too. She was a guess speaker on one of a lists I was on, several years ago and talked about all sorts of important information. I find that with vets you have to actually tell them what type of blood work you want done or it could be incomplete. Most people in general wouldn't know what is what when it comes to something like that.

ladyscarletthawk wrote:

Thanks,
You and Pam have really made me feel better about going thru Jean Dodds for the thyroid tests. I will ask the vet to pull and centrifuge the blood for me, it shouldnt be a problem.. I hope. Eve had her blood tested about 2 years ago but not sure what thy tested for, as it was for the anesthetic to pull some puppy teeth:). Her vet appt is on wed and I will discuss it with him then. I will have to check out the site again, what does full bloodwork check for?

LetsTalkPetFoods · **Joined:** Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:47 am **Posts:** 648

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:39 pm

ladyscarletthawk wrote:

PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:05 pm
She was tested at 6m but had normal readings, BUT her T4 levels were *low* normal. Here are results and comments from the lab:

T4 TEST RESULTS: 1.9 ug/dl, REFERENCE RANGE: 1.7 - 3.6 ug/dl

Free T4 TEST RESULTS: 20.72 pmol/l, REFERENCE RANGE: 12 - 33 pmol/l

Endogenous TSH TEST RESULTS: 0.23 ng/ml, REFERENCE RANGE: 0.1 - 0.4 ng/ml

Comments: Well when I read on Jean Dodds site it says (not verbatum) that a dog can have thyroid issues and can test *low normal*... She put Eve in a continental and said that she should have enough hair for this May's show. She also commented on her coats upkeep, her maturity, eye contact, and personality.What happens there are enough Thyroid levels in the blood but not in the tissues. So the animal can have signs of thyroid issues but test normal. Happened to another groomer with her dach, had low normal thyroid results, but showed signs of hypothyroidism. Vet decided to put him on meds and voila hair grew back:). I think his is what Eve's prob might be.

Here is the link to Lil-Lea's full blood panel I had done back when the Pet Food scares happened!
Blood Work 2007-03-22http://sites.google.com/site/lilleadivamyers/blood-work

http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/qq310/Lil-LeaMyers/2007%20Photos/March/22nd%20%20BLOOD%20WORK%20DONE-photos%20of%20results/2007-03-22-01400Com.jpg

I had it done because I wanted something recent to make a comparison with in case she became ill, or heaven forbid, anything happened to her. I also wanted her checked for Guardia and other parasites to eliminate them also. I do not know much about them or how to read them, but they said they were fine, so I took their word for it. What do you see? Anything odd or anything that is a bit off?

ladyscarletthawk wrote:

I think Eve and Lil have very similar issues.. it is repetetive, and mostly one ear.. the other one can be affected but it is quite obvious one is in worse shape.. one is painful the other normally isnt. I will def let you know if the vet finds something.. maybe Lil has the same thing? I agree, this could be a similar issue.

Did Eve ever have an issue with having her ear pulled on, like Lil?

ladyscarletthawk wrote:

Without looking at her he suggested that it might be her trying to get attention, but that doesnt sound right from my Eve or the circumstances.

NO WAY ! Not with Lil-Lea either~ I would not believe that either.

ladyscarletthawk wrote:

This is where we live lol and where we take Eve for her basic care.. blood work, etc. No emergency procedures and very few S/n are done at he other base too. Also when we fly/ travel all shots/health certificates are required even tho they dont check! Im just glad it is three years now.. all I have to worry about is bordetella, in case god forbid I have to kennel her, and that she can get that when needed.

Ah, ha! Good ole' military service requirements~

ladyscarletthawk wrote:

She put Eve in a continental and said that she should have enough hair for this May's show. She also commented on her coats upkeep, her maturity, eye contact, and personality.

Wow, let us know if you do enter her <G>

LetsTalkPetFoods · **Joined:** Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:47 am **Posts:** 648

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:45 pm

Denise is at it again,<g>:

Oh I would definately send the blood work to Jean Dobbs. I would do a complete blood work too. She was a guess speaker on one of a lists I was on, several years ago and talked about all sorts of important information. I find that with vets you have to actually tell them what type of blood work you want done or it could be incomplete. Most people in general wouldn't know what is what when it comes to something like that.

ladyscarlet wrote:

Thanks Denise,
You and Pam have really made me feel better about going thru Jean Dodds for the thyroid tests. I will ask the vet to pull and centrifuge the blood for me, it shouldnt be a problem.. I hope. Eve had her blood tested about 2 years ago but not sure what thy tested for, as it was for the anesthetic to pull some puppy teeth:). Her vet appt is on wed and I will discuss it with him then. I will have to check out the site again, what does full bloodwork check for?

Laura,

Maybe you can compare Lils (link in other post) and Eve's blood work together. I think Lil has a bit of dry skin also, because she scratches sometimes and has no fleas!

Wouldn't it be interesting if they have the same problem? How about eye stains?

LetRVoiceBHeard · **Joined:** Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:00 pm **Posts:** 40

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:48 pm BY PWD

OK I had to do some research into my Jean Dodds archives when she was a guess speaker. First off I would suggest that you go to her website: Jean Dodds This site will not only give you the tests but also the complete instructions on sending the test out and when.

THYROID PROFILE (D8T) 6-PANEL TEST
This consists of : T3, T4, free T3, free T4, T3 Auto antibodies and T4 Auto antibodies.

PROFILE #7200 CBC, DIFFERENTIAL, SUPERCHEM (includes liver enzymes) AND D8T THYROID
This test includes the CBC, Differential, Superchem, AND the Complete Thyroid Panel (D8T).

She offers expert clinical interpretive diagnostic comments that take into account the age, sex, and breed type of the animal. This often means an expected normal reference range for an individual pet that differs from the test lab's generic broad reference range.

Ladyscarletthawk · **Joined:** Sat Mar 21, 2009 5:51 pm **Posts:** 98

Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:03 pm BY ladyscarletthawk

Let's Talk Pet Foods wrote:

Here is the link to Lil-Lea's full blood panel I had done back when the Pet Food scares happened!http://sites.google.com/site/lilleadivamyers/blood-work

I had it done because I wanted something recent to make a comparison with in case she became ill, or heaven forbid, anything happened to her. I also wanted her checked for Guardia and other parasites to eliminate them also. I do not know much about them or how to read them, but they said they were fine, so I took their word for it. What do you see? Anything odd or anything that is a bit off?

Im not an expert, but everything is within range and looks fine to me. I contacted quite a few civilian vets about perhaps having her teeth cleaned and heart looked at(she has a heart murmur). One office I contacted told me that they dont rec bloodwork for anesthesia until they are x old, but will do it if requested. She said that if I had previous bloodwork(which I did) and then have a current testing done for the cleaning, they have an even better view of the dog's health. They can see changes and be more prepared if they see something start to go"off". I really liked their office people, too bad they arent accepting new clients:(. I def check out the office people and if possible the techs, if the backbone of the clinic is not up to my liking then how could I ever feel comfortable leaving my baby there IMO. I check for 2 things how the staff is with me and my pet/how helpful, and if the vet is willing to give rough quotes over the phone for procedures such as dentals. I will pick an office (as there are many) not by price but by whether they want to waste my time and tell me you have to have an office visit or whether they are willing to get me a, "if everything goes well and she is healthy x amount" quote. Shows me that if they give THAT kind of care for nonclients they will give nothing less to actual clients:).

letstalkpetfoods wrote:

Did Eve ever have an issue with having her ear pulled on, like Lil?

No Eve never, from what I know had anybody pull/chew on her ears. As a matter of fact the breeder said she had the most playful personality. I even witnessed her playing with her sisters and taking one down like a lion pulling down a wildebeast! She was chasing her 2 sisters and grabbed the one by the hair on the rump and pulled her down

!

I was thinking that Lil probably had the infection and coincidentally her pups smelled the infection and were either attracted to it(you know dogs like certain scents) or felt the need to lick "her wound". And so they concentrated on it. She probably liked the attention? Like someone scratching your back, I figure if she didnt like it she would have reprimanded them teehee.

Without looking at her he suggested that it might be her trying to get attention, but that doesnt sound right from my Eve or the circumstances.

letstalkpetfoods wrote:

NO WAY ! Not with Lil-Lea either~ I would not believe that either.

Yeah they were in a hurry needing to go 30m back to base to do PT. Everything is done FAR cheaper on base that I will always go to them for the basic needs and testing. They arent bad just busy, HE is the one that found/mentioned Eve's murmur after 3yrs of quite a few vets not mentioning it. So Ill let the behavior comment slide. Some dogs do that, like after someone steps on their foot and someone makes a big deal about it they learn to limp around for attention

, but that isnt Eve. If he doesnt find anything wrong I may go to a civi vet or HE may refer me to someone else. We'll see the appt is 2morrow.

letstalkpetfoods wrote:

Ah, ha! Good ole' military service requirements~

That and the airlines lol! They NEVER check for health certificates, not even when I drove across the US/Mexican border! My luck they will if I dont have it tho.

letstalkpetfoods wrote:

Wow, let us know if you do enter her <G>

Teehee, I will let yall know, the show is may 24-26 memorial day weekend. My hubby will be off, I'll encourage him to go but I dont think he will want to :). He is sooo not into dog events *sigh* , and he hates her haircut:). Im just glad he is supportive enough not interfere, or comment on it too much ;). Will try to take pix!

Ladyscarletthawk · **Joined:** Sat Mar 21, 2009 5:51 pm **Posts:** 98

Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:26 pm BY ladyscarletthawk

Let's Talk Pet Foods wrote:

Laura,

Here is a link on my site which has links to information on figuring out blood work

http://sites.google.com/site/lilleadivamyers/blood-work Maybe you can compare Lils (link in other post) and Eve's blood work together. I think Lil has a bit of dry skin also, because she scratches sometimes and has no fleas!Wouldn't it be interesting if they have the same problem? How about eye stains?

Yeah that would be interesting! I will take a look at the link :). I asked the vet clerk to make a copy of her bloodwork from TX, and I will get a look at it 2morrow:). She said they can do bloodwork inhouse also, and they can send that info and the old bloodwork to Jean Dobbs with the blood sample. Plus for reference I will send a copy of the thyroid testing she had already done.

It is much easier to see dry skin on Eve especially with the HV drier. HV is high velocity dryer, and it helps pull away dead skin and debrie from the skin too. Yeah Eve itches too, and I find weekly baths and brushes help a lot with the dry skin.. I went 3 weeks 2 baths ago and she was really dry! After I started bathing her on a weekly basis again the dnadruff cut down. She also on the Nupro supplement, so that helps... may need to increase the dose.

Eve doesnt seem to have tear *stains*, but she does tear up and wake up with eye boogies lol. If she tears up it will dry up into clearish white hard boogers. They are easily cleaned by rewetting and rinsing her eye out with opthalmic saline eyewash, and wiping them away. Her eyes never stay wet, so I believe it is semi dry eye.

Ladyscarletthawk · **Joined:** Sat Mar 21, 2009 5:51 pm **Posts:** 98

Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:58 pm BY

On Call 24/7 wrote:

OK I had to do some research into my Jean Dodds archives when she was a guess speaker. First off I would suggest that you go to her website: Jean Dodds This site will not only give you the tests but also the complete instructions on sending the test out and when.

THYROID PROFILE (D8T) 6-PANEL TEST
This consists of : T3, T4, free T3, free T4, T3 Auto antibodies and T4 Auto antibodies.

PROFILE #7200 CBC, DIFFERENTIAL, SUPERCHEM (includes liver enzymes) AND D8T THYROID
This test includes the CBC, Differential, Superchem, AND the Complete Thyroid Panel (D8T).

She offers expert clinical interpretive diagnostic comments that take into account the age, sex, and breed type of the animal. This often means an expected normal reference range for an individual pet that differs from the test lab's generic broad reference range.

I went ahead and called and asked about those tests, the lady said that the Profile #7200 would require overnighting she said it could be expensive. She said we could do the D8T thyroid as it stays ok for 10 days, and if need be Dr. Dobbs may request more bloodwork if thyroid wasnt enough. So I may do the thyroid first as it is on the top most likely list lol!
I just called my vet office and the clerk mentioned that they can do bloodwork in house and give me the results. SOOO I may have them do the bloowork and send copies of that, the old bloodwork and old thyroid in with the blood samples to hemopet. Im very excited about this now! Having th blood work done at the vet then the results sent to hemopet will mean I wont have to worry about overnighting anything:). If she does need me to send samples for testing other than the thyroid then I will work with that as well! Thanks again, I will make copies of all the info and paperwork on the hemopet site so I can take it in to the vet!

Eve and Lil- Ear, Skin and Blood Work

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