Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 1:23 pm BY PWD



Sorry I didn't get back to you here! I was reading it before and then we had some bad storms well unfortunately coming back here it didn't say I didn't read it. Must say my brains went and left me!

Checking for chemicals is usually down with a complete blood work though you have to insist on them checking for chemicals. And a full listing or they do not check. Not sure if there are other types of testing within for the same that may be much better. I'll have to try doing some research on that. Vet's don't usually check for toxic chemicals within ones system. Do not ask me why but they don't. They seem like there shouldn't be such things but just look at all the chemicals that's out there including flea and tick meds, heartworm meds, the chemicals we use in our homes. I personally use the natural flea and tick which has rosemary and other oils in it. I am also trying to find a couple of rosemary trees that I could put right next to my doors. So geraniums too (hanging) as that deterrent even mosquitoes.

Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 1:32 pm BY LetRVoiceBHeard

Sounds like it's not really too serious which is great! The drinking also could be because of a low thyroid depending on the type of thyroid she has! Milk thistle I know is great do not know much about the Sam-e. Just heard alot of good things with the Milk. And being it's all natural products it basically cleans the system out of all the build up toxins. Well that is my very limited knowledge of medical care.

Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 2:06 pm BY ladyscarletthawk



I have all her lab test results, so could send it in to Jean Dodds.. I may suck it up and do it.. I really need to. If Jean Dodds feels she has a small thyroid issue(even tho her results say low normal) then THAT might be the reason for her hair loss and high liver enzymes. I will give her the melatonin, but may not see improvement in her hair. If there is improvement then it may not be thyroid if no improvement I will suspect thyroid still a possibility. In the meanitime I will send in her results to her to tell me what is wrong.. Im tempted to send Jean Dodds pix too lol.
Technically it does not sound serious.. well at least not now. It can turn serious, If I knew what the cause is then I could say for sure if it is serious or not. I guess Im looking at the long run. If it is a thyroid thing then it is not serious, if it is something that is slowly destroying her liver and cant figure out why then I feel it is serious.
The flush I mentioned, I found mentioned on Jean Dodds site, and it is a diet that is supposed to flush the body of toxins.. plus the milk thistle or SAM-e. She said she recs this for dogs whose ALT enzymes are high(not 300-400 or more high tho) but the other 2 liver disease indicators are normal, which is Eve's case. I believe it is to lower these ALT liver enzymes. The high ALT indicate damage, being a liver, damage can be reversed and maintained.
My understanding is if one or both of the other 2 liver disease indicators were high then a urine bile acids test is the next step to figure out what kind of liver dysfunction(if any) the dog may have. Then the ultrasound(this is a lil hazy teehee) is to see the condition of the liver or if there are any masses and how big. Then if cancer is suspected the liver biopsy is done next.
So :scratching head: it really doesnt seem that Eve is in bad shape just mom lol!

Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 2:19 pm BY ladyscarletthawk


Thanks,
Next time I have her blood tested, I will tell the vet that I want to check for toxins if thyroid isnt the prob. Her thyroid is low normal, but still may be an issue. If Jean Dodds feels there is a thyroid ssue then I will have the vet put her on the artificial thyroid. HIS specialist assoc. wanted me to try Melatonin to see if her hair grows back, instead of trying a low dose synthroid. I wish I had a full CBC done when she was younger as I could see if her ALT levels was a recent thing or chronic and if there has been any improvement or deline *sigh*.

Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 2:36 pm BY ladyscarletthawk



Yes not serious .. for now. Well only Jean Dodds can tell me now if she feels her thyroid is low. The test says low normal, so most vets ignore that reading after that. Jean Dodds obviously has the credentials and experience to figure out if it is too low for EVE, and if so it would answer a lot of problems. The hair loss, the drinking(thanks for that info), the liver enzymes, heart murmur.. Can you tell me what the dose would be for the milk thistle on a 4.8# dog, for SAM-e it is 90 mg? I think the SAM-e does the same as the thistle because Jean Dodds mentioned milk thistle and/or SAM-e on one of her sites.
http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-ang ... oring.html

It is under ALT(SGPT).

Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 5:44 pm BY LETS TALK




Yes, That would be me too! I would be a wreck! I am a wreck just trying to regulate lil's ear infection (still that same stinkin' ear) and getting her to eat her Raw Medallions ans her Fresh PET! Not worried about protein or Vit D, as she eats lots of cooked chicken, and enough scrambled eggs.

And, she *LOVES* milk! And it does not give her the big D either! She has about 4th of my glass of milk every night after she plays. Little Piglet!

It's other vitamins and minerals that I worry about her getting..... but I am going t post to the food chat about all this soon..........


{{{{kisses}}}}} and {{{{{{hugs}}}}}}} Little eve <G>

Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 6:41 pm BY LETRVOICE

Hmmm not sure about the dosage for a 4.8 . However for a 9 pound pup a 175 mg split into 2 doses twice a day would be appx. It would probably be have of that for a 4 pound. Trying to find some info as to the proper dosage.

Here's Dr. Jean's Dodds info. http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-angels.com/DrDoddsInstructions.htm

Milk Thistle Dosage (from the newsletter "Healthy Pets - Naturally"):

Dog's size
Dose as % of adult human dose
5 lbs 10%
5-10 lbs 15%
11-20 lbs 20%
21-40 lbs 30%
41-70 lbs 50%
71-100 lbs 75%
100 lbs 100%

Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 1:41 pm BY Margot

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Hi and thank you for yhe info. I sure did not know about Lever and Thyroid trouble in Dogs, just do not know every thing, but a lot of help from you Lady's. It seems, that to day ,is not my day about writng or any thing els, my Fibromayliga, makes me do that, sorry. I'm Margot and my Frauchen Sissy, what I should have said in the beginning of this email. :idea:

Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 2:20 pm BY LETS TALK



Hi Margot,
We all started somewhere, which I think it comes from having health issues with our furbabies or know somebody having such issues. If it weren't for my Sonja ending up having thyroid or my Sputter with seizures I wouldn't have had journals with such information. Glad we are able to help each other!

You said you have Fibromayliga! Love to learn more about it we have a chat about disability board too. Here's the link to that if you wouldn't mind talking about Fibromayliga!

http://www.animalsspeak.org/chat-about- ... -f156.html

Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 10:44 pm BY ladyscarletthawk



Have you thought about having her tested for allergies? Have they given you other options for this chronic ear infection? The only thing off the top of my head for ear infections are thyroid. you could try the blue ear formula I use on Eve's ears, esp since it is chronic. Has the vet taken a good look in the ear to see if she has a deeper ear infection? The only reason not to use the formula is if she has a ruptured ear drum. If it is a psuedomonas (sp) infection, in which case you could use apple cider vinegar with some water in it.